Spartan never fought the Roman. It was standard practice for a noble son of Sparta to be taken away from his family at the age of eight. Whereas when King Perseus fought the Roman Legions at Pydna, he had forsaken the Combined Arms approach and reverted back to a full Phalanx force, the kind of force his ancestor King Alexander had defeated many a times with his Combined Arms approach. What I am unable to factor in is variables such as fatigue, morale, the experience of battle and what they are fighting for. Very little food was provided during training, as they were encouraged to steal food, but were punished if they got caught (so if you think that a Spartan was not stealthy, think again, they excel at it, part of their training was utilizing stealth in order to survive). Greek Hopolites already fought against the Roman Legion, and the Greeks lost very horribly. So Hoplon- pretty overpowered. The Xiphos excels at stabbing, with a very sharp tip made to kill an enemy quickly if given that stabbing opportunity in CQC. von Pergamon (der Auftraggebers des Pergamonaltars) die mit ihm verbündeten Römer zur Intervention. To start the game, I’d like to throw in a battle fought during the first Punic War, the battle of Tunis saw a Spartan Officer called Xanthippus throw a line of elephants, supported by the old phalanx of “doru” wielding Carthaginian levies at the Roman legions and with cavalry superiority on the flanks he won a decisive victory. Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World | Cole, Myke | ISBN: 9781472841124 | Kostenloser Versand für alle Bücher mit Versand und Verkauf duch Amazon. For one thing, the title of this article is, 'A Spartan Warrior versus a Roman Legionnaire.' The greek phalanxes were too unwieldy to counter flanking attacks and were easily surrounded and undone. The Spartans used their spears as javelins preferring the spear to use bows and arrows, the Spartans thought them cowardly. Bei Pydna trafen die beweglichen römischen Manipel auf die starre Front der Makedonischen Phalanx, Münze des Königs Perseus von Makedonien (213/212-165 v. As for the cavalry getting involved, iirc both sides still had their cavalry forces, so even if they had attempted the flank the legions, the Roman cavalry … The Spartan warrior underwent a decade of tests, to ensure that his endurance and character were worthy of his position in the elite of his people's army. !!! Die dynamische, aggressive und auf Auflösung von Abwehrformationen angelegte Kampftaktik der Legionen, so der Historiker Armin Eich, wird Rom in den folgenden zwei Jahrhunderten die Weltherrschaft sichern. At their peak-both warriors were formidable. The Roman ranks used their short sword in a more hand to hand environment. He would then be brutalized by his peers and turned into a Spartan warrior through years of exhaustive training. This implies that it is a one on one, and if the author says it is not, then he should not have named it so. The legionaries big advantage is they can maneuver far better than a phalanx can during a battle. The spear and sarissa was always their primary (as written by Herodotus for example). Damit ist der 3. Wie der römische Historiker Livius berichtet, soll die „Umzäunung von gestreckten Lanzen“ der makedonischen Formation die Römer zunächst in Angst und Schrecken versetzt haben. ), Die traditionelle Waffe der Makedonischen Phalanx war ihre bis zu sechs Meter lange Sarisse, Quelle: Wikipedia/F. Another thing this doesn't take into account is that the roman legionnaire was a professional swords men and that the spartan formation would of lost shields because the way the roman spears were designed. Im Folgenden begründet er seine persönlichen Spitzenreiter. Mitchell, United States Military Academy, 480 Kriegselefanten veränderten die antike Welt, Eine Waffe war das Erfolgsgeheimnis der Legionen Roms, Das Schwert – die erste Kriegswaffe des Menschen, So schlug Hannibal die Kesselschlacht von Cannae, „100.000 Sesterzen für einen Lustsklaven sind nicht viel“, Wo der Grünen-Politiker Crack auf Rezept verabreichen will, Mehr als ein Drittel der Krieger überlebte die Niederlage nicht, die sie gegen die Karthager perfektioniert haben, die handlichen Spanischen Kurzschwerter der Römer. USING STEEL OR IRON WEAPONRY DOES NOT MAGICALLY TURN BRONZE PLATING INTO PAPER. They aren't only masters at their craft of fighting, they are masters of their small arsenal. THE GREEKS HAD A GREATER REACH BECAUSE OF A HUGE SPEAR AND SLINGER GAVE THEM A LITTLE ADVANTAGE. Is this surprising? I have decided to compare the Spartan warrior against one of Rome's finest Legionnaires. The Legionnaire dominated nearly 500 years of history-changing tactics and equipment very little but they eventually were destroyed by less drilled but more hungry enemies. They threw Javelins as ranged weapons (so if someone says they don't have range, show them this comment). By the time his schooling was completed. Sweeping an enemy off their feet wasn't hard to do either. Selbst als mit Aemilius Paullus ein erfahrener Feldherr die Führung der Legionen übernimmt, kann Perseus mit seiner reorganisierten Armee erfolgreich Widerstand leisten. Or he may have been a slave sold into the Roman Legion after he had been abducted from his homeland. In a kind of homage to the television series. After constant drills by their superiors, the Spartan youth had become a fine-tuned killing machine ready for battle. He may sign up to be a Legionnaire so that he could get Roman citizenship. No Spartionnaire. Makedonische Krieg zu Ende und das Stammland Alexanders des Großen vernichtet. We all know that if military discipline and fighting ability is paired with amazing physique and physical capabilities, then you've got one hell of a soldier. Think about it, aside from grueling training and combat experience, these guys used the same loadout for every fight. Their living conditions were very austere, so you'd best bet that the Spartans were as tough as their shields themselves. The courage and discipline with the spear allowed the Spartan formation to become a human threshing machine. Im 2. After discussing the programme with friends, we all agreed that the pairings were a bit of a letdown. Greek Phalanx vs. Roman Legion: A history of the most powerful military formations in the ancient world . He was either forced into it as he was the second or third son in a poor family. Actually, the Macedonian Army fielded by King Perseus lacked one thing that King Alexander had: Combined Arms Tactics. Many people see this as a huge disadvantage, even for a one on one fight, but i see this a huge ADVANTAGE, ESPECIALLY for a one on one fight. By the time the young Spartan has reached the age of eighteen, he had learned to fight, to win and to die honourably like a true Spartan. They did not have a lot of coverage and as the armour was made of bronze it would have weighed a fair amount. The Legionnaire joined the Roman army in several different ways. So yeah, literally big and scary guys. Makedonischen Krieg erlitt er 197 bei Kynoskephalai eine schwere Niederlage, die ihn die Rolle als Hegemonialmacht in Griechenland kostete. Perseus, der 179 seinem Vater auf dem Thron nachfolgt, macht sich daran, die alte Stellung des Reiches zu restaurieren. The Ninja was not a warrior who fought in plain sight, so the choice did not seem a good pairing. As the Romans demonstrated an army is so much more than the sum of its parts. The Roman formation was way more flexible and so could manage changes in the terrain more effectively than the phalanx could. BRONZE IS STILL A METAL. Shields: The Spartans main armour was their bronze shields which were the ancient equivalent of a tank when used in a large group. In mehreren Büchern hat der Historiker und Journalist Jan von Flocken die herausragenden militärischen Führer der Geschichte vorgestellt. That is, until the Romans developed the legion and cracked the phalanx. The Spartan tactics were outdated pretty quickly because I think the thracians kicked their asses after the wars between Athens and Sparta. No one expects it to be used as a weapon, and it being used as a weapon can allow the element of surprise. Apr 11, 2019 - Explore Sawyer Swenson's board "Phalanx", followed by 106 people on Pinterest. Hoplites rarely actually used the bronze cuirass as it would weigh down the soldier packed in tight formations. Cavalrymen went into battle with their torso's bare. Am Fluss Elpeus müssen Roms Leichtbewaffnete sogar eine herbe Niederlage hinnehmen. Spear: The Spartan used their long spears to inflict mass casualties from behind their wall of bronze shields. This would entitle him to a legion pension and land to farm at the end of his service. In diese stoßen die Legionäre vor und greifen die Makedonen von der Seite und dem Rücken aus an. Also covering from torso to knee when semi0crouched for a phalanx(pay attention to that coverage, that'll be important later). No light Spartan. ). He would have survived in the wilderness and would have killed a member of the Messenian helot slave class. See more ideas about ancient warfare, ancient warriors, ancient war. The Ninja of the Far East versus the Greek Spartan Warrior was not a like for like match. The Roman legions utilized a more flexible battlefield strategy, with smaller units able to move independently. At the tender young age of 7, Spartan males left home and entered the Agoge, where they were subjected to training that was anything but tender. They were made to always compete against each other, some of the competitions included a fair amount of violence (so INDIVIDUAL FIGHTING PROWESS was VERY important). Another way to become a Legionnaire was if he was an auxiliary attached to a legion in the occupied territories. The Legionnaire was covered in a bit more metal but he was afforded some flexibility as the plate mail was slats of steel not a solid mass like a suit of armour. The victorious Romans recruited betallions of the few remaining Spartans after they controlled southern Greece and gave them special status in the Roman Legions. The Roman is using technology more advanced than the Spartan so that alone should swing it. Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World | Cole, Myke | ISBN: 9781472828422 | Kostenloser Versand für alle Bücher mit Versand und Verkauf duch Amazon. Chr. 168 v. Chr. The phalanx was best suited for level ground and was vulnerable to loss of cohesion, whereas the legion based on interlocking smaller units was much more adept at holding and reforming formation. The Spartan Xiphos was designed to go in and around the defence of a shield in line. The Roman victory in the Battle of Cynoscephalae ( 197 BC ) marked the end of the Second Macedonian War between Rome and Philip V, king of Macedon.The battle is considered one of the best examples of manipular Roman legion superiority over the Macedonian phalanx … Like the Spartans, the Legionnaire would be trained repeatedly in Roman tactics and strategies. Viewers discretion is advised! Studies show that the only reason people switched to iron and steel is because bronze equipment used tin, and tin was becoming a shortage, so they heated fires hot enough to melt iron, and iron was an abundance, so they just stuck with it. With that being said, I implore everyone to stop talking about the military tactics employed by each anctient nation's armies, it does not matter!!! The Spartan Shield is as strong or stronger than a post Battle of Carrhae Roman Shield. When the phalanx got disrupted or broken up, the individual soldiers had to fight one- on - one. The US Marine fitness programme is based on the Spartan's brutal training principle, although slaughtering an innocent member of the serving class at graduation is not recommended. In a one on one fight, a Spartan would kill a Legionnaire easily. Gegen die gefürchtete Makedonische Phalanx setzten die Römer auf Beweglichkeit. In drei Kriegen kämpfte Rom gegen das Königreich Makedonien. Beide Heere sind mit rund 40.000 Mann ungefähr gleich stark. Owing to the shortness of the blade the Spartan had to react to the opponent's aggression rather than attack long-distance and telegraph his attack. This does not really mean that the Greek Phalanx was flawed as a fighting system. Remember the spartan hopolite formation wasn't the same formation that the Macedonians used with their extremely long pikes. If you don't believe me, get a steel or iron sword and try to cut or pierce a bronze medal. Deadliest Warrior is a horrible show because they do not treat things realistically. This is a one on one fight, there is no phalanx as far as I'm concerned. kam es bei Pydna zur Entscheidungsschlacht. The strength of the Roman legion over the phalanx was less an advantage in weaponry, than it was an advantage in formation flexibility. Spartans held brevity of speech in high regard, meaning they let their skills do the talking. See more ideas about ancient warfare, ancient warriors, ancient war. Schon während des Krieges gegen Hannibal hatte Perseus‘ Vater Philipp V. gegen die Römer gekämpft. Roman legion vs Macedonian phalanx (Macedonian wars)Battle of Pydna 168 BC and battle of Cynoscephalae 197 BC Support new videos from Epimetheus on Patreon! #WolfAndKaisaYou´ve never seen a Rome II battle like this!! The sword you're referring to is the kopis which was pretty hard to make do to its curved shape. Das Königreich Makedonien wird in vier unabhängige Regionen aufgeteilt und einige Jahre später als Provinz ins Römische Reich eingegliedert. All of this to teach these boys survival and proficient fighting skills. Our last article about who would win in a battle between a Roman Legion and a Greek Phalanx has been such a success that we’ve decided to continue the series. Warriors would use this weapon more as an axe then a sword, inflicting nasty wounds compared to the cleaner holes made by the spear and Xiphos. It can shatter bones, destroy spinal columns, knock a human's skull so hard, it can kill in one blow (although a Spartan's arsenal are all for the most part, one hit, one kill weapons), it even had two straps on the inside for more maneuverability (it's big, but manageable, circular shape helped with that- and it's killing power). Nerd isn’t the name one would generally associate with Myke Cole & from the picture on the back flap of Legion versus Phalanx, as a stranger you’d certainly think twice about calling any name he didn’t OK to his face. The decline of the Diadochi and the phalanx was inextricably linked with the rise of Rome and the Roman legion … Just going to address some errors. The spartans were originally thought to be around 5'10" to 5'11" through rough estimates from ancient equipment. Swords: Both sets of warriors used a short sword as their primary weapon in one on one contest. There is no doubt in my mind that Roman legions would completely obliterate the Spartans. When the Sarissas act as an anvil to the Macedonian Cavalry's hammer, nothing could stand in its way. Sparta, unlike the other Greek city-states, was centered around a warrior culture. No heavy Spartan. Juni 168 v. Chr. The Spartans would almost definitely win in a head on clash, the phalanx is just like the spears it is made from, devastatingly powerful head on, but weak when attacked from the side. Registrieren Sie sich kostenlos und erhalten Sie auf Ihre Interessen abgestimmte Inhalte sowie unsere vielseitigen Newsletter. The Roman infantry met the phalanx and did not break, but were steadily forced back towards the broken ground behind them. And at the beginning of the battle, the Macedonian Phalanx did succeed in pushing back the Roman Legions, but without good support troops guarding the flanks, the Macedonian Phalanx was susceptible to being out-flanked by the more nimble and flexible Roman Legions, and they WERE out-flanked. The two terms aren’t exactly comparable. I find major flaws in everyone's reasoning. A Hoplon looks completely for defending, and it is an excellent defensive tool, being made out of thick wood, a layer of leather for impacts and a shell of bronze (altogether weighing a good 30 lbs.- about 13 kg. Armour: The Spartan Warrior in battle wore bronze armour, please disregard what the 300 movies showed, the Spartans did wear body armour with their red capes and helmets. Sadly the Spartan Army never faced the Romans. They knew how to fight, and they had their fair share of outfoxing an enemy army. The fight of the phalanx of the Macedonian Greeks (antiquated as it was) vs. the legions of the city of Rome resulted in seven major engagements in which both had three victories and three losses it was the last Hellenistic Macedonian King Perseus at Pydna where the large sarisa's ( spears ) of the Macedonian Phalanx could not maneuver quickly enough to face the fast moving legions. Paired with their training and love for physical competitions, these Spartans weren't just tall, they were strong. As far as we are aware, these warriors never met on the battlefield as the once-mighty Sparta had melted into obscurity by the time of Roman supremacy and the Greek warriors were nowhere near their legendary peak. 168 v. Chr. The Chestplate and helmet were very functional at saving injury. This veteran writer has been on HubPages for a decade and has created over 100 original pieces. They used the "checkerboard" formation … So your saying that one Roman vs one Spartan, the Spartan is … This murder served a two-fold purpose, firstly it culled the number of rebellious young slaves. It was a leaf shaped straight sword which couldn't really reach around a shield. May 12, 2019 - Explore Jyotirvakyananda's board "Phalanx" on Pinterest. Back during King Alexander's time, he had a great mix of troops, fighting beside the Phalanx, such as Peltasts, Shield-Bearers, light-infantry, maybe archers, I am not sure, and most importantly, the Macedonian light cavalry. In a pitched battle, the Spartan would be victorious the vast majority of the time. The Spartans trained and fought all their life with ONLY these weapons. The expense of the supporting arms and cavalry, and widespread use of mercenaries, caused the Diadochi to rely on phalanx vs. phalanx tactics during the Wars of the Diadochi. The only gripe I had with the programme was that the actual contestants they matched them up against were ill-suited. bei Pydna am Olymp in Nordgriechenland das Heer des Königs Perseus von Makedonien vollständig. In contrast, a phalanx only really works when the entire army is in one cohesive formation. Weitere Informationen: http://epaper.welt.de, Der Kurz-Link dieses Artikels lautet: https://www.welt.de/165797873. Roman Legion vs Vikings: who would win? Athenian art frequently depicted Spartan warriors with this weapon for that reason. So by a small amount the Roman soldier should defeat a Spartan Warrior in the field of battle. YOU CAN'T, IT'S STILL METAL. Google the pre-marian battle tactics to see how smart the Romans were. The Roman shields have been more modern and advanced were stronger and larger than the Spartan shield, but the Spartan shield was built to withstand a lot of punishment. Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World - Kindle edition by Cole, Myke. Aber je weiter die Phalanx der Makedonen vorrückt, desto mehr verlieren ihre Krieger den Kontakt zueinander, so dass Lücken in der Schlachtreihe auftraten. The Spartans didn't have a wide range of weapons to use, or rather they did, but chose to use only their Dory spear, javelin, Xiphos, and Hoplon (yes, although it's a shield, i still consider it a formidable weapon- I'll get to that in a bit). Einige von Roms Bundesgenossen suchen ihr Heil in der Flucht. The Kopis, an alternative to the Xiphos some Spartans selected the dreaded Kopis as their secondary weapon. Im Nahkampf haben die Makedonen mit ihren bis zu sechs Meter langen Stoßwaffen gegen die handlichen Spanischen Kurzschwerter der Römer keine Chance. Spartan supremacy wained in Greece and after several defeats to the city of Thebes due to and the same inability to advance tactics and equipment they too became a fighting icon of the past. In fact he has roared … Continue reading "Book Review: Legion Versus Phalanx by Myke Cole." Geschichte Legion vs. Phalanx Roms neuartige Taktik vernichtete Makedoniens Heer In drei Kriegen kämpfte Rom gegen das Königreich Makedonien. Oh... don't you forget that they did this training as young boys, you keep that in your head. Thusly it can never be tested weather the Roman Legionary or the Spartan phalangite at the height of their powers would dominate in individual or full on battle. 13 years ago. It was the phalanx that allowed Greece to become the dominant power in the Western world. On all fronts, the Roman legions would dominate on the battlefield. And secondly, it gave the Spartan youth a taste of bloodshed, which would accompany him until his death. What if the two would go into battle against each other? The legion of the Early Roman Republic was divided into 30 120-160 men strong maniples organized into 3 … No variations for Spartans. Phyrrus) What I'm trying to say is that, back in 400 BC Spartans could crash a Roman army.100-150 years later though they would propably crashed. EG the Rajhput somehow defeating the Romans when in fact the Romans do not fight this way, therefore armies must be compared at which point the Romans overwhelmingly dominate the field...So when comparing two warriors especially as a Spartan or Roman with the heavy infantry lockstep style, one must compare armies as a whole rather than simple individuals. This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. Weapons and armor where given by retired soldier so only soldiers from a rich family would be using one. The Spartan Phalanx was formidable, unless the enemy managed to flank it. Die Schlachtreihe einer Legion (bis zu 5000 Mann) ist in Manipel von 120 Mann unterteilt, die wesentlich mobiler agieren können als die dichten Schlachtreihen der Griechen und Makedonen. The Roman tended to use the Gladius, this was an instrument designed to hack through limbs then run through bodies and move onto the next victim. The earliest soldiers of the Roman army were hoplites. The two armies lined up, each splitting the cavalry on the wings and the Macedonian phalanx advanced. He may have committed a crime and was offered the chance to use his life as a soldier rather than face a horrible death by execution. Second to last point, Spartan's size and strength. The Roman shields were of a later design and construction, they were generally made of steel or iron. Only until a male succeeded in training in the Agoge, and reached an age of 20, was he then made to join the Spartan miitary full-time until the age of 60. Therein lies the trickery. Late reader here. for you non-americans). This fight has already been done in history. This weapon was seen as the quintessential "bad guys" weapon in ancient Greece. By the time Rome came into power, Sparta was pretty much gone. Der römische Konsul Lucius Aemilius Paullus besiegt am 22. Wonder no more, the greek hoplites were easily undone by the more flexible Roman legions. Now we have unearthed bones that date back to the time of the famed Spartans, showing them to be 6'1" tall, an acceptably frightning height. Inkompetente Führung lässt den römischen Vorstoß aber zunächst scheitern. In Legion versus Phalanx Cole weighs the two fighting forces against each other. Final point, these guys were smart, there is a reason people back in those days employed Spartans as mercenaries or bounty hunters. Even if this was an army vs army battle, it's not like the Spartans would just let an enemy flank them, they were soldiers, not stupid. The weak points on the legionnaire were at the joints. That alone would be a reason they would win over a legionnarie. Second point of the xiphos. He deduces that the Romans refused to fight the phalanx where the phalanx was effective, Romans offered battle only when a legion could exploit the clumsiness and immobility of a phalanx. Spartans lost from the Theban "oblique" phalanx.Its evolution,the Macedonian Phalanx, crushed the Thebans.And the Roman legion in most occasions won the phallanx (it lost sometimes though,f.e. The historian Polybius details the effectiveness of the Roman legion against the phalanx. Nachdem er einige Erfolge gegen griechische Staaten erzielt hat, drängt Eumenes II. Sources: Ancient texts and a degree in ancient warfare and geopolitics. Andrew Stewart (author) from England on December 05, 2013: Interesting points thank you for the contribution. This was a vicious hacking weapon in the form of a thick, curved iron sword. No Sparturion. The Spartans were some of the greatest soldiers of all time, but that isn't as great an advantage as people make it out to be. Die WELT als ePaper: Die vollständige Ausgabe steht Ihnen bereits am Vorabend zur Verfügung – so sind Sie immer hochaktuell informiert. The leaf blade (as I call it) makes the Xiphos heavier nearing the sword tip, allowing for more power to be transferred to the slash, while not turning the sword into a bludgeoning weapon. The Romans had spears but their fighting style was to use it more as a defensive or close quarter combat deterrent. As the long phalanx line pushed forward, they began to break formation as some areas pushed forward more than others and the uneven ground began to break the formation. Whereas when King Perseus fought the Roman Legions at Pydna, he had forsaken the Combined Arms approach and reverted back to a full Phalanx force, the kind of force his ancestor King Alexander had defeated many a times with his Combined Arms approach. Griechische Staaten erzielt hat, drängt Eumenes II seinem festen Lager zu locken strategies were very devious it... 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